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Sunday, June 7, 2009 at 09:03AM
Reader Comments (20)
GREAT cartoon!
Now do a new one of Dr. Tiller jamming scissors in a 9 month old baby's head to collapse its skull for a "pro-choice" constitutional freedom - unless you have drawn a cartoon about that already.
You could have him wearing a blood spattered kitchen apron and chef hat. That would be cool.
Tiller has done thousands of constitutional freedoms on pregnant women.
Maybe he could have used a little stainless steel pistol instead of scissors in his late term freedoms. Then he would be celebrating two constitutional freedoms at once.
Crazy world isn't it.
Surely you do not condone Dr.Tiller's murder, do you?
To murder a father of four children in church for doing something that is protected under our Constitution, and to do it under the guise of "pro-life" is indeed crazy. In fact, it weakens the "cause" and exposes them as terrorists, showing they don't care too much about the law. And I am sorry, I cannot grasp the sad attempt at satire by your suggestion of having him wear an apron and chef's hat. Call me humorless, but I think that is heinous.
Oh I see.
I condone Mr. Tiller's murder if I object to linking the murder with Pro-Life activists.
Caught me in a real dillema this time, you did. You see, I happen to know a lot of pro-life people and have not run into any murderers among them.
I know people who after a divorce didn't murder their family during a custody battle.
I even know some public school teachers who didn't have sex with under age boys or girls.
Now I am mired in the oh so clever trap laid for me by Drantoon when he linked pro-lifers with a killer. I feel so ashamed I fell for that old ploy.
I was, in my infantile way, just pointing ouit how Drantoon missed an opportunity for some real gore by maybe drawing a "Dr." Tiller partial birth abortion linked with the Second Amendment.
Musta shot over your head.
Alas! LIVE FREE OR DIE is offended by ED NAILE's comments. Just hear the umbrage:
"And I am sorry, I cannot grasp the sad attempt at satire by your suggestion of having him wear an apron and chef's hat. Call me humorless, but I think that is heinous."
Amazingly, LIVE FREE OR DIE finds satire -- satire! -- offensive, and yet apparently takes no offense at the factual -- factual! -- description of the practice of partial birth abortion (frequently done merely to preserve the EMOTIONAL health of the mother). Talk about twisted! Talk about "heinous"!
It reminds me something Tony Campolo said to a large assembly of Christians:
"Today, thousands of children in Africa are going to die of starvation, and none of you gives a shit. And now more of you are upset that I said 'shit' than that thousands of children will die today."
Sick all around!
Refusing A Frontal LObamatomy, I am afraid you are putting words in my mouth (or thoughts in my head) to even dare suggest I am not offended or horrified with late-term abortion. However, two wrongs do not make a right and I'll stick to my original statement that Mr. Naile's suggestions are offensive and do nothing to help the cause.
So I don't "help the cause" by pointing out the cartoonist's standard left wing linking of a murderer with the pro-life movement?
You can keep up the apologizing for the pro-life movement having murderers in it if you want if that is what you want people to think.
I will keep pointing out that late term abortions are nothing more than killing an innocent being in a hospital with kitchen utensils under the guise of a constitutional right.
Tiller might as well have used a pistol.
Argue from weakness if you like - I am comfortable pointing out the weakness of the cartoon.
I totally agree with you with on abortions and especially on late term abortions.
I am also upset with the lack of attention to Sgt Long's murder in Arkansas. Why don't we see as much outrage and condemnation from the left. I don't see anyone with the nerve to do a cartoon on the Muslim extremist that killed him or the Muslim woman who protested Sgt. Long's Memorial!!
Liberals, like Drantoon here, stick with the Democrat party line.
That is what is so extra weak about his "original" cartoon.
You have to admit, if you want to mix up late term abortion with the Second Amendment, Tiller with his abortion pistol would have been a tad more original - and true.
Also: American cartoonists don't tread on muslim murderers rights.
Fine. You take issue with what I've written. OK. I will stipulate that I was unfair in suggesting that the monstrosity of "late-term abortions" does not apparently offend you.
Of course, now is your chance: Please tell us all how offended you actually are. Please, denounce late term abortions as heinous (at least MORE heinous than Ed Naile's allegedly heinous remarks you've twice denounced here).
In 2004, I recall walking outside my local polling place during a state primary; I had just written in for state representative on my Republican ballot the name of a Democrat I know. When I came out of the building I spotted the very man I had just written in; he was a legitimate candidate for the Democratic slot and was campaigning outside. I approached him.
"Hey, X!" I said. "It's so good to see you. Just so you know, I wrote you in on my Republican ballot. Good luck."
X replied, "Thanks a lot. But I have to ask you something. A woman just came up to me, she was on her way in to vote, and she said, 'I will vote for you if you are against partial-birth abortion.' I did not know what to say. So I have to ask you, 'What's partial-birth abortion?'"
Why tell this here? Because when I told my friend what it was (and he should have known but I did not tell him that), two things happened. First, he immediately admitted that he WAS against THAT SORT OF THING. Second, the town chair of the Democratic Party -- a big time NH Democrat -- who was standing next to my friend, ABSOLUTELY FLIPPED OUT, denouncing me as hateful, bigoted and "anti-women."
But the fact is that NEITHER of them really understood (or at least one of them willfully chose to ignore) what it is that TOO MANY PEOPLE -- including Mr. Obama -- actually support.
Shame on them all (accept, really, my friend, who seemed in the end to have a brain and a conscience).
I DO note that you have created a cartoon depicting the "new logo" of the "pro-life movement." I applaud you for choosing to show us this logo rather than the "new logo" for the pro-choice movement. Now THAT would be disgusting. I can see why you've chosen the barrel of a gun compared to -- well -- you can just imagine!
But it would be interesting if you at least DARED to show us what you couldn't draw in good conscience. Pray tell, if the "pro-lifers" logo is the barrel of a pointed gun, what does the "pro-choice" logo look like?
I am grateful you showed us something so G-rated. It sickens me to think what we could have seen.
(LIVE FREE OR DIE: Is this sanitized version of what Ed Naile essentially said in his "offensive" comments more to your liking?)
I denounce and am horrified by late-term abortions.
Are you satisfied?
I know it's a tough issue, so I understand your reluctance to be TOO public with your views.
As a parent of four children, I would be in full support of a complete ban on late-term abortions. I think that, in addition to my previous statements, should make it clear as to where I stand on this issue. That said, I do support a woman's right to choose and I still stand by my original statements on this topic
For your consideration, and since so many of you are so quick to judge and label people as murderers; if a woman has a miscarriage, does that make her guilty of manslaughter? Since you all seem so fond of labels, by your definition it does meet the criteria.
And perhaps Mr. Naile would be so kind as to treat us to a graphic description of this event as well.
I don't see how you can consider miscarriage and abortion, even a late term abortion, equivalent to each other. Perhaps you don't consider the two equivalent but think I should. I don't know.
For moral clarification, it seems fair to consider this: If a woman's two-year-old child dies of natural causes, and yet she beheads her three-year-old child, have both children been murdered? Of course one immediately sees the problem; one is not really related to the other. So, too, with abortion and miscarriage: neither are really related other than that they belong in the subset of death.
Here's something I wonder about: If it's OK to kill my baby even a few minutes before she is born, why is it wrong for me to merely abuse my baby a few minutes after she is born? I mean, if it is legally OK to prevent my baby from existing, why is it wrong for me to smash in her in the mouth when she is 10?
You see, I believe there is a causal, though probably unprovable, connection between abortion and child abuse. If the "thing" in the womb can be killed, why can't it later be battered? Which, after all, is worse? It seems to me that some parent might actually feel something like, if he or she could have "killed you then, I can hit you now." In fact, I have actually HEARD a woman say this (essentially) to her four-year-old son, and then I watched her hit him in the face repeatedly. (Yes, I did intervene -- that was 26 years ago and I am caring for that damaged boy right now.)
Ultimately I believe abortion rights are all about oppressing women. There is NOTHING liberating about abortion, or "choice." It enslaves women, reducing them even further to mere sex objects.
Thank you very much for considering and responding to my question. I realize the question I posted is extreme and you have responded with very good examples in the same manner. I also realize you did not "label" anyone. However, I do think it is all to easy to apply labels to people or things in certain complex situations in order to focus anger (justified or misguided.)
Although it is an interesting point, I disagree with you on your connection between abortion and child abuse I would argue that since choice was applied, and they (correctly, I might add) chose life, they would be more inclined to provide a caring, loving, and nurturing environment for the child. Child abuse (physical and emotional), to me, is like cancer. It knows no social or economic boundaries.
"if a woman has a miscarriage, does that make her guilty of manslaughter?"
Why would I think that? The only connection is that a miscarriage would leave the same emotional scars an abortion would.
That is why abortion is a self-defeating "constitutional right" reserved only for women.
So many women have had them they are now the best advocates of overturning Roe v. Wade, just as the the plaintiff in the original case has changed her position.
I disagree that an abortion and a miscarriage "would leave the same emotional scars." If they did, then they'd be far more similar than I believe they actually are. It would seem almost pathological if a mother grieved for a child who died naturally in the same way she grieves a child she has deliberately drowned; and it seems unlikely her wounds would be identical in the wake of those two sad outcomes.
LIVE FREE OR DIE:
I do not understand what is meant by your "I would argue since choice was applied..." Excuse me? Was there a time when choice was not applied? Did choice not exist before the right to choose death was conferred? Seriously, I do not know what you mean.