NHI Readers Against Special Rights for the Transgendered

Should Public Bathroom use be regulated by actual biological gender?
		Ratio
Yes, Use the Public Bathroom that Matches your actual plumbing!		72%
No, Accomodate people with Gender Identity issues (Transgendered)		28%

Comments

[Jim Splaine]

I hope God forgives those who have gone out of their way to use this issue politically, and to present this issue in such a mean, disgusting manner. House Bill 415 has to do with discrimination in the workplace and in housing, and has nothing to do with plumbing. There must be a woodshed in Heaven for people who disregard the rights of other human beings in this way.

[Rowland]

Jim it's a mean disgusting issue, and it's a symptom of badly misplaced priorities. I know for a fact the General Court has plenty of better things to spend its time on but it can't be bothered because it's too busy with nonsense like this.

We need to vote these bastards out and put in state reps that will cut spending, cut the taxes, restore our small business climate, balance the budget FOR REAL and undo the Claremont and Londonderry mess. When they finish all that maybe they can fiddle with this social engineering bullshit if they really want to but ONLY as referenda to go to the voters.

Shame on you for even caring about something like this.

[Ed Naile]

Hey Jim:

Watcha doing for your bi-sexual crowd?

How about a lecture on how you ignore them in your quest for homosexual marriage?

[Jim Splaine]

Ummmm, Ed. What do you have against bisexuals?

[Ed Naile]

Ummmmm, Jim:

Why don't you push for "gang" marriage. Suddenly the sexual appetites of bisexuals are a second class act?

Shouldn't bisexuals have the right to a loving family - under your constant argument?

But then your comments always label anyone against "homosexual marriage" as bigots or in need of forgiveness by God.

News flash Jim:

Bisexuals are homosexuals as well but you give them no rights in your singleminded quest for "equality"?

Lame, very lame.

[Rowland]

I think narcissists should be allowed to marry themselves.

[Ed Naile]

Rowland THTG

I still love my Ruger Mini 14 with the folding stock and cute muzzle flash reducer.

[Rowland]

Happiness is a warm gun.

[Glen Karam]

This whole topic is foolsihness. Where is decency in society. It's a friggin bathroom! If you were born with the package of a male, use the men's room and if you were born with the genitals of a woman, use the ladies room. It's really not that complicated. If you can't figure it out ask for some professional help. I can't believe our representatives have even considered this bill. What a colossal waste of time and effort!

[Jim Splaine]

And Glen, do you know a transgendered person? There are some nice people out there. Why not learn a bit about what they have to go through. This entire issue is about equality. Do a little research and you'll understand why your representatives have considered this bill and why it's an important thing to learn about. Nothing in this world is more important than the way we treat one another. If I'm wrong on that, name something more important.

[Ed Naile]

Glen:

Yes, take Rep. Splaine's fatherly advice not to discriminate and to understand other people - like he understands that bisexuals are homosexuals as well but do not deserve to be married.

Vote for liberal Dems and you get the bathroom obsessed crowd.

So what's next? I know, seatbelts for hoppers and eliminating urinals because they deny the rights of women and almost women.

[Jim Splaine]

Ohhhh Ed. To answer your note, bisexuals can get married, depending on how the formula works. You're the one obsessed with toilets, not me or the Democrats. You must spend a lot of time in them. And I'm opposed to your proposal for seatbelts for hoppers, though I respect your right to want to fight to require them. Perhaps you and I can team up on the public's right to know about what's happening in those toilets that you're obsessed about, though.

[Rowland]

I think Jane Hamsher should be allowed to marry her bullhorn.

[Ed Naile]

Jim:

PLEASE explain the bisexual marriage proposal!

Will you sponsor it?

When can I announce we have a new minority rights issue to champion here in NH!!!!

Is "gang" marriage a catchy name or what.

By the way, I did not sponsor the bathroom bill. I THINK it was a liberal Democrat.

[Rowland]

If gangs are allowed to marry each other then gang violence will be reclassified as domestic abuse.

They'll be throwing plates at each other instead of bullets.

[Jim Splaine]

Rowland, I will oppose your gang marriage proposal. It's a slippery slope that would open a lot of Pandora boxes. Next you'll probably want Dads to be able to marry their sons, or brothers or sisters to get married. Don't you have any sense?

And Ed, I'm confused about why you're promoting bisexuals. Are you one? And if so, that's okay. If so, you have lots of choices right now to be married or to have a Civil Union, depending on your preference of the day.

I think a better solution to all this confusion you seem to have would be that people may only be able to be married once, but then again -- a lot of the conservative "straight" community would oppose that because they're such strong and God-fearing advocates of marriage -- but unwilling to make such a life-long commitment, as the divorce rate readily shows. No hypocrisy there, of course.

[Rowland]

C'mon Jim, it's no sillier than gay marriage.

I think John Edwards should be allowed to marry his hair.

[Ed Naile]

Jim:

I am not promoting bisexuals, I am hoping they someday have the same right to marriage as the Human Rights Commission promotes for transgendered and other homosexuals.

Your proposed bill to allow homosexual marriage between one man and one man and one woman and one woman is so biased against bisexuals.

I know we heteros discriminate againt plural marriages but you homosexuals to discriminate against 1/4 of the people represented by the Human Rights Commission is really, let's say, deplorable.

Shame, shame, shame,

[Tim Oliver]

"Nothing in this world is more important than the way we treat one another. If I'm wrong on that, name something more important. "Jim Splaine

How old are you Jim,10?That has to be one of the dumbest things I've read on this site.While many things come to mind that are more important than your infantile bleating I will name just one.

How about the FREEDOM to treat you any way I like short of inficting physical harm?Or is that asking too much from you lefties.And FYI,the rest of my list can be found in the Constitution of the United States,maybe you should read it.

[Jim Splaine]

Ohhhh Tim -- if you don't think there's nothing more important than the way we treat one another, I'm just glad you're not in my circle of friends. But if you were in my circle, I'd treat you well and would expect the same in return. I'd like you.

And Ed, you and your bisexual friends ARE covered by House Bill 436. And I will always work to protect your right to be exactly who you are, regardless of what you are. I hope that makes sense for you. I like you.

And Rowland, well -- I can't add anything to your John Edwards remark. Spot on. It gave me a needed chuckle tonight. I like you too.

[Glen Karam]

"Nothing in this world is more important than the way we treat one another. If I'm wrong on that, name something more important. "Jim Splaine

I can name something more important Jim, Loving people enough to tell them the truth, and the truth is that this is a behavioral issue. Yet they want society to change its norms in order to accommodate their desire to dress and act like a woman. If you were really concerned about them, you would simply tell them the truth. A man dressing and acting like a woman isn't normal behavior. You may call me a hate monger, homophobe, bigot etc, but I know that the best friends in my life have told me the truth even when I didn't want to hear it, even when it hurt.

It is puzzling to me why the liberals in our society work so hard to protect the emotions of one person by changing the norms of society. Changing broad societal customs to appease the few.

I have never mistreated a transgender person, yes, I have met some in my life-time. However, I don't think that it is fair to the majority of citizens to have to give up their right to privacy, and legitimacy in order to feign acceptance of these individuals. No law is going to change natural human behavior.

[Jim Splaine]

Glen -- I don't consider you a "hate monger, homophobe, bigot etc," I do think you're misinformed. Do a little research. What you describe is a cross-dresser or a person in drag. Lots of people -- straight and gay -- do that for fun. Transgender is something quite different. Research, then write. Be informed first.

I'll admit to similarly misinterpreting "transgender" until the past several months as I sought to further understand this issue. Even though I've been gay all my life, and socialized with many people, I never really learned enough about transgender. When you do, you might join me in saying that we should have laws protecting them in areas of housing and employment, just as they do in 13 other states and many countries.

I didn't sponsor House Bill 415, calling for transgender protections, but I did vote for it. Since it passed by one vote in the House, I and 187 other House members can say each of us was the deciding vote. I'm pleased to have done that, because we should not allow discrimination against this very important group of good human beings.

[Glen Karam]

Jim,

The issue isn't really the orientation of the individual, it is the problem of enforcement of HB415. How do you tell if anyone is transgender or just a pervert seeking to prey on young ladies. Because I can't tell someones intentions, I don't want them using the same bathroom as my young daughters.

Cross dressers and transgender are pretty obvious to determine, but what about the "normal" looking individual claiming sexual confusion? How will this law be enforced to protect the safety of people from these predators? What good is a law if it cannot be enforced in its entirety.

There are already laws to avoid discrimination, why not modify those laws to include transgender. It is not necessary to create a whole new law for the bathroom that is unenforceable.

[Jim Splaine]

But Glen, this bill DOES just -- just -- modify the long-standing anti-discrimination laws. That's all it does. It doesn't create a new law.

About bathrooms, we already have protections in law against harassment or illegal activities in bathrooms -- or anywhere else. If someone is doing something in a bathroom that is improper, or if they are lingering, they can be arrested.

We have NO law prohibiting men from going into women's rooms; or women from going into men's rooms. I know of no state that does. Such a law wouldn't be enforceable, and I've worked at restaurants and a movie theater and when a women's room is unavailable because of plumbing problems, the other room just became for everyone. People work it out. Many places have just one restroom for anyone. BUT, just like in a hallway or the corner of a large room or the street or a lobby, if someone does something illegal, it's illegal.

And, for example, if a woman is waiting outside a men's room for her little boy to come out and he's been in there for four or five minutes, you bet she has EVERY right to go in and find him.

The issue of "bathrooms" has been brought up just to degrade the bill, and I think God has a woodshed in Heaven for those who have done that to his important cause of fighting discrimination.

And by the way, just where do you think transgendered go now? The problem is, sometimes they are harassed when they do so. THEY are in more danger than you when they go into a men's room.

This bill -- check it out online, it's House Bill 415 -- just amends the state's civil rights statutes to give protections for transgendered persons in areas of housing, accommodations, and employment -- those areas which currently prohibit discrimination against all of us based on religion, nationality, disability, sex, sexual orientation. Transgendered are not covered in that law -- the NH Human Rights Commnission has so testified. Transgendered have been fired from jobs just because of their change of gender. Thirteen states and many nations have determined that is wrong. I agree.

[Ed Naile]

Jim:

The Human Rights Commission is well known for discriminating against bisexual marriage.

You know that but still support their twisted logic - or secret agenda.

They say they represnt bisexuals but in fact do not. Sad.